Or, alternatively, charge them from behind with cav. But just be glad of them as Greek Cities, and be glad that there aren't a lot of them as anyone else. Spartans are truly the best that the ancient world has to offer. Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh. Re: spartans do not ask how many, only where the enemy are actually the diamond is super vulnerable if you aim archers at the units not facing you also roman javelins do a bit of damage.
Re: spartans do not ask how many, only where the enemy are I have beaten them with Urban Cohorts, but that was by engaging them from their front, and hitting them from the flanks or behind with another. Also, toward the end of a battle after they are somewhat exhausted and their numbers depleted, you can rout them with a fresh unit of Legionary Cohorts.
Keep in mind though, that when I build; blacksmiths, armorers and foundries have a high priority. Retraining to upgraded armor and weapons is also a high priority. I even will shift an army from one city to another to maximize the overall weapons and armor of the entire army, not just fragments here and there.
I don't know if the AI actually retrains units, but by the fact that they will send depleted units at me with copper weapons and no upgraded armor when they have a large city with an armorer nearby would be an indication to me that it does not. Playing as Greeks last night, the Egyptians attacked me several times with full stacks with minimal armor and inferior weapons.
Then, to my unbelief, they sent another stack with 19 units but they were only half strength or less. Most of them did not even have copper armor.
They just got dead! I really must emphasize that weapons and armor upgrades are worth the cost, even against Spartan Hoplites. Strength and Honor Celt Centurion. Re: spartans do not ask how many, only where the enemy are I don't think, for purposes of the game itself, that the Spartans are over-powered. When you think about it, the Greek faction has lousy cavalry. And Heavy Peltasts do not make up for the lack of same. The strength of the Greek faction is in its hoplites - the armored and the spartans.
If it didn't have these, they would be a pushover for almost any faction. Macedonians have lots of cav options. And the Roman equites are about the best 'basic' non-elite cavalry unit in the game. Both the strength and the weakness of any hoplite based army is the phalanx itself.
Attack it from its side or rear, and you will break it. So without the Spartans, the Greeks don't have much to compensate for them. It behooves players of all non-Roman factions to wipe the Romans off the board before the Marius event.
Once the Romans start getting serious legionaries and Praetorians, the Spartans lose some of their competitive edge. That said, Spartans are ahistorical in this time frame of the game. Sparta was long past its prime by BC. They had been decisively whipped by the Thebans even before the rise of Alexander. Philip II, Alexander's father, had studied his opponents and made real improvements and adaptations in both infantry and cavalry warfare.
But that's not reflected in the game. Silver shields are not as good as spartans or armoured hoplites. And, while I'm not positive about this from a historical standpoint, my guess is - the Greek armies of the Aeolian league, during the time of the rise of Roman power, probably had some moral equivalent to companion cavalry. I'll have to do some reading there. Extended Greek Mod tries to incorporate some of these more historical elements in their design of Greek units and armies.
But they didn't necessarily make their spartan hoplite more historical for the actual time frame of the game's time frame.
Chime in at this point you experts out there. Or, even before that time frame. But there's a lot of conceptualization work that needs to be done for that to happen. Games like TW are designed so that you have factions that are both diverse in their make up but competitively matched so that they each have a chance for victory in the game. That means that strict adherence to 'historicity' is not really possible.
And THAT said. I love Spartans. Originally Posted by Guyus Germanicus. Re: spartans do not ask how many, only where the enemy are I like that idea.
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