Angharad73 Rohan Apr 29 , am Post 12 of 25 views Shortcut. That sounds Arannir Valinor Apr 29 , am Post 13 of 25 views Shortcut. I didn't want to argue that it is the same path the Fellowship took out of the valley Angharad73 Rohan Apr 29 , am Post 14 of 25 views Shortcut. I didn't think of it that way either [ In reply to ]. Arannir Valinor Apr 29 , am Post 15 of 25 views Shortcut. It was indeed a much wider land from the ford to the mountains than ever you would have guessed: [ In reply to ].
Arannir Valinor Apr 29 , pm Post 17 of 25 views Shortcut. There is also some continuity Loresilme Valinor Apr 29 , pm Post 18 of 25 views Shortcut. A possible nod to Gondolin? Elven Valinor Apr 29 , pm Post 19 of 25 views Shortcut. This is how you sidestep elves singing tra-la-la-lally! In Reply To. Darkstone Immortal Apr 29 , pm Post 20 of 25 views Shortcut. Seems more a sally port. And if they do, they probably go to Minas Tirith or Laketown.
If they're driven out by war, they don't have to go far to find empty lands in which to settle. The only indication I'm aware of that Rivendell's location is a secret is the following passage from The Hobbit :. One thing that stands out in all of the books and the movie, also is that "the poor" in Middle-earth do not seem to ever have the "sense of entitlement" that they should get paid for merely existing - except at the very end of Return Of The King - and it's a sentiment that is expressed by Sharky's Men and by some squinty eyed almost half-orcs at the Prancing Pony, earlier in the book.
Nowhere in the book is it mentioned that anyone begs for money - I think there's a few mentions of better off people helping poorer people - but the general notion is everyone pulls their weight. Look for example at the depiction of Samwise's father the Gaffer. The book says he ran the garden at Bag End until he got too old and was then setup in a small "efficiency hole" in Bagshot Row and then later New Row when Saruman had Bagshot Row dug out.
There does not seem to be any mention of the Gaffer working, other than raising a few vegetables in his own little bit of garden. Yet he is able to hold forth at the local inn and drink a few pints. The setup is almost identical to how older people in the village are handled in Downton Abbey. Later in the show when they are talking about raising the farms agricultural output they specifically state the need to build little efficiency cottages and move the farmers who are too old to work the farms to them.
That happens to Mr. Carson as well. Clearly this must have been rather common in England at least in the small villages and farming communities - as farmers got old and unable to work they would be moved off to efficiency cottages in the village and given a small pension, and would perhaps buy a bit of meat of fish with it on occasion to supplement gardening output and I think Tolkien certainly intended the same model in Hobbiton. In Middle-earth, everyone worked, everyone was useful, from the old to the young, and those unfortunates who perhaps were victims of accidents or wars and were unable to work, were taken care of by their communities.
Nobody is addicted to drugs, very few are mentally ill, and criminals existed as bandits in The Wild. The various jails and stockades were places to put young pups or others who might have gotten too drunk and rowdy at a party and torn up a garden, or stolen mushrooms, for a day or so to teach them not to do it again.
There's no mention of mass murderers for example and theft is rare. Nobody goes to the bathroom, the cities do not appear to have pressurized running water. There are horses everywhere including running throughout the cities but no mention of horse piles in the street. Google up "The Horse-world of London By William John Gordon" a free ebook to see the realities of running a city dependent on draft animal labor. When mass migrations of people happen they bring huge amounts of "stuff" with them, and plunk down in a new area and setup shop as though nothing had happened.
Every bit of Middle-earth's depictions of daily life living is HIGHLY idealized and not consistent with behaviors of real people in the real world.
Boromir wanders long forgotten roads and meets many people but did he have a huge purse stuffed with gold coins to pay his way or did he camp out everywhere, spending days to hunt down deer and gather wild vegetables for his diet? So the answer to your question is - it's moot. There are no masses of poor refugees who would get a better deal moving away from their communities.
Men in Middle-earth do not act like humans - in the real world with humans if you give them an empty area they have large families until that area is built up - in Middle-earth you have have thousands of acres of tillable land that was once tilled by men, remain empty for a thousand years after a war. In the real world curiosity causes some men to seek out buried treasure, so the idea of a former city being abandoned stimulates floods of treasure-seekers to look for it, in Middle-earth when something as valuable and large as the Master Stone in Osgiliath is hidden and lost after a war, nobody seeks for it.
Even after the War of the Ring is over, and Sauron is defeated, and it's safe to look into a Palantir, it does not seem to occur to the King to use his Palantir to seek out where the rest of them are and dig them back up - particularly to seek out the master stone in Osgiliath.
In fact, long after the war is over Osgiliath remains abandoned even though it is the optimal location for a capital city due to it's position on Anduin. Moria is also never discussed in the later Appendixes even though the killing of the Balrog and destruction of the Orcs would have open it up for treasure hunting.
Elves and Dwarves do not act like people, that is acceptable as they are other species. But Middle-earth men do not act like men. If humans in Middle-earth were told about a famous Elf city named Rivendell it would have no hold on them they simply wouldn't care. Sign up to join this community.
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Hidden somewhere ahead of us is the fair valley of Rivendell where Elrond lives in the Last Homely House. I sent a message by my friends, and we are expected. In English English at least "Hidden" as used there could simply mean "not currently visible", in a valley or behind a hill for instance.
In fact, McKenzie played two different elves in each of the film trilogies. Also, while starring as Lindir in The Hobbit , McKenzie was shown in a behind-the-scenes featurette as being challenged with the task to memorize three complex lines of Elvish in one day. When director Peter Jackson delivered his film adaptations of The Lord of the Rings series, there were a few aspects about the movies that stirred up some controversy with fans.
In the film, she rides a white horse named Asfaloth and takes Frodo to Rivendell herself. Lee also worked on a personal painting which served as imagery for Rivendell.
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey clocks in at a total running time of 3 hours and two minutes, but there are even more scenes for fans featured in the Extended Editions. In the original novel, The Hobbit , Bilbo and the Dwarves ended up staying in Rivendell for a total of fourteen days, just up until Midsummer's Eve.
Some of the extended edition material included a scene where Elrond and Lindir happened to stumble upon the Dwarves taking a bath in a fountain. In another scene, curiosity gets the better of Bilbo, and the hobbit discovers the shards of Narsil. Bilbo then meets Elrond, and Bilbo tells him an amusing riddle, to his great delight. Yet another scene features the Dwarves causing more commotion, while Elrond and Gandalf have an important discussion about the company.
Celeborn and Galadriel had a daughter, named Celebrian, who married Elrond during the Third Age, Elrond and Celebrian had three children together, including twins, Elladan and Elrohir, and a daughter, Arwen. After the one ring was destroyed, Celeborn and Galadriel attended the wedding of Arwen and Aragorn.
Upon saying farewell, Celeborn alluded to Galadriel's departure from Middle-earth, "Kinsman, farewell! May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure remain with you to the end! Although the films differ slightly from the books, the shards of Narsil were kept in Rivendell for some time. During the battle between the Last Alliance and the forces of Mordor, King Elendil used the great sword, Narsil, but it was broken into two pieces in a struggle against Sauron.
One of the shards of the blade was famous for being held by King Elendil's son, Isildur, who cut the One Ring directly off of Sauron's hand. After Sauron was defeated, Isildur took the shards, and they later passed down to Isildur's son, Valandil.
The shards of Narsil continued to be passed down from generation to generation. In the Fellowship of the Ring novel, the shards of Narsil were reforged and the sword was given to Aragorn. Earlier, we mentioned how Elrond married Celebrian, the daughter of Galadriel and Celeborn. Together, they started a family, and they had two twin sons. Later they had a daughter, Arwen, whose name means "noble maiden".
She was later rescued by their twin sons, but she had also received a poisoned wound from an orcish blade.
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